Pioneer HLD X9 vs. Runco LJR II vs. HLD X0

[Laserdisc_machine]

This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a muc
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR I
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww...

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[SDF Poster]

No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

Hi there. I'd like to buy the HLD X9 from you for $499. Thank you.

[unclejr]

Hi there.  I'd like to buy the HLD X9 from you for $499.  Thank you.

I see your $499 and raise you $1.

HTH.

-Junior

[SDF Poster]

Post by unclejr
I see your $499 and raise you $1.

I'll see your $500 and lower it $2! $498. And thats my final offer.

[unclejr]

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

I can't comment on any of these players. I have an LD-S2 with AC-3
mod and am VERY happy with it!

-Junior

[Laserdisc_machine]

Eheeheheh.... You guys are funny, but i start getting your jokes.
That's a piece for me to keep ;)
Guess what i'm going to do when i'm 60 years old ;

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[Matthew L. Martin]

Post by Laserdisc_machine
Eheeheheh.... You guys are funny, but i start getting your jokes.
That's a piece for me to keep ;)
Guess what i'm going to do when i'm 60 years old ;)

Offering it for sale at $50,000 euro. then complaining that all
reasonable offers are too low?

Matthew

[Nitehawk^]

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:55:00 -0500, "Laserdisc_machine"

Post by Laserdisc_machine
Eheeheheh.... You guys are funny, but i start getting your jokes.
That's a piece for me to keep ;)
Guess what i'm going to do when i'm 60 years old ;)

hmmm, Vitor at age 60... sitting on a few expensive players from the
1990's that are now (lets for the sake of argument say) 25+ years
old. He is still surprised parts are not being made for LD & 8-track
players and he is still dumbfounded why no one will buy all his 'new,
never used in box' LD players for an outragously large amount of
money.

[Laserdisc_machine]

LD-S2 is also a very good unit. I bough one never used in origial box fo
$200 USD when i was visiting New York, it's an awsome player

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[Laserdisc_machine]

If you give me 50000 USD for the X9 i will consider....give you the answe
in few days

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[SDF Poster]

Hi, I've got a HLD-X0 new in box for $10. But you have to fly here from
Portugal to pick it up.

My plan is to keep it in the box until all the rubber parts either
turn to goo or become harder than stone. Then I'll put one of my 17
unopen copies (still in shrink wrap! The bowing is actually good for
them) of "Geshaft Bemaken Meine Musik" and let her spin (take cover!)

Seriously, this HLD-X0 is connected to a chain and I toss it overboard
when I go sailing. It works real good.

[Dave Garrett]

In article

LD-S2 is also a very good unit. I bough one never used in origial box for
$200 USD when i was visiting New York, it's an awsome player.

Damn, I wish I could find an LD-S2 for $200. I guess it must've been at
the same place that has the $500 HLD-X9s.

Dave

[unclejr]

Post by Dave Garrett
Damn, I wish I could find an LD-S2 for $200. I guess it must've been at
the same place that has the $500 HLD-X9s.

A few years ago, I told Kurtis that I was in the market for an AC-3-
modded S2. Lo and behold an unmodded S2 appeared on eBay. It was at
around $250 in the final minutes when I decided to snipe for it.
Little did I know that Kurtis sniped at it, too, costing me an extra
$50 in the process.

-Junior

[Nitehawk^]

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:43:21 -0500, "Laserdisc_machine"

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

hehe Here we go again, another humorous comparison thread by Vitor.
Expensive players now getting older and he's surprised there are no
parts still being made for them

[t***@thadlabs.com]

Post by Nitehawk^
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:43:21 -0500, "Laserdisc_machine"

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

hehe Here we go again, another humorous comparison thread by Vitor.
Expensive players now getting older and he's surprised there are no
parts still being made for them

Heh! Here in the USA the various consumer protection laws/regulations
generally require a manufacturer to "support" a product for 7 years
past
its EOL (End-of-Life). It seems most of today's electronic gadgets
have
an EOL of about 6 months from their debut given technical
obsolescence,

FWIW, my HLD-X9 players are still working fine after 10 years. Two
nights ago I watched JOE'S APARTMENT and last night it was "I
COME IN PEACE" (aka DARK ANGEL).

While browsing my LD collection the past several nights, I found a
lot of titles that never made it to DVD yet, so LD is not dead. :-)

[Nitehawk^]

Post by t***@thadlabs.com

Post by Nitehawk^
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:43:21 -0500, "Laserdisc_machine"

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

hehe Here we go again, another humorous comparison thread by Vitor.
Expensive players now getting older and he's surprised there are no
parts still being made for them

Heh! Here in the USA the various consumer protection laws/regulations
generally require a manufacturer to "support" a product for 7 years
past
its EOL (End-of-Life). It seems most of today's electronic gadgets
have
an EOL of about 6 months from their debut given technical
obsolescence,
FWIW, my HLD-X9 players are still working fine after 10 years. Two
nights ago I watched JOE'S APARTMENT and last night it was "I
COME IN PEACE" (aka DARK ANGEL).
While browsing my LD collection the past several nights, I found a
lot of titles that never made it to DVD yet, so LD is not dead. :-)

yeah I have many LD's that have never made it to DVD also, and I am
not willing to give up on LD, they still look great. Unfortunately,
my Pioneer CLD-D704 squeals louder than a bad alternator belt

[t***@thadlabs.com]

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[t***@thadlabs.com]

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Post by Nitehawk^
[...]
yeah I have many LD's that have never made it to DVD also, and I am
not willing to give up on LD, they still look great. Unfortunately,
my Pioneer CLD-D704 squeals louder than a bad alternator belt

Ew. Hopefully someone (Kurtis ?) might have some suggestions.
Tonight I'm going to treat myself to a rewatch of THE HUNTED. As
some of you may recall from postings here about 10+ years ago,
the sound on this one is incredible and the picture is impeccable.
FYI, this is Universal 42518, ISBN 0-96894-25186-4, starring
Christopher Lambert, John Lone and Joan Chen. Someone here
commented this release had special processing which accounts
for the excellent sound and video. A Google Group search finds
[...]

WHOA!

Granted the story line and acting leave a wee bit to be desired,
but the picture and sound are still stupendous, even 11 years
after the last time I viewed this movie.

The video alone blows-away almost all my DVDs (and I have
over 4,000 of them).

As Christoph Steinecke wrote back on 27_Apr-1997:

+ the ld was mastered from some HD super scan process (or something
+ similar) and thus looks so incredibly good

Still true today, with a good pressing from Pioneer, nothing like the
crap from SONYsuck whose plating solution in Terre Haute IN was
contaminated with cat pee. That's why I still boycott SONYsuck.

I simply couldn't believe the quality of the video and sound of this
movie. SONYsuck and its Blu-Ray crapola can go to hell and burn
for all eternity.

[Kurtis Bahr]

You need a new spindle motor, in stock from Pioneer Parts. Last I knew $60
to $65 with tax and shipping

Kurtis

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Post by t***@thadlabs.com

Post by Nitehawk^
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:43:21 -0500, "Laserdisc_machine"

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....

hehe Here we go again, another humorous comparison thread by Vitor.
Expensive players now getting older and he's surprised there are no
parts still being made for them

Heh! Here in the USA the various consumer protection laws/regulations
generally require a manufacturer to "support" a product for 7 years
past
its EOL (End-of-Life). It seems most of today's electronic gadgets
have
an EOL of about 6 months from their debut given technical
obsolescence,
FWIW, my HLD-X9 players are still working fine after 10 years. Two
nights ago I watched JOE'S APARTMENT and last night it was "I
COME IN PEACE" (aka DARK ANGEL).
While browsing my LD collection the past several nights, I found a
lot of titles that never made it to DVD yet, so LD is not dead. :-)

yeah I have many LD's that have never made it to DVD also, and I am
not willing to give up on LD, they still look great. Unfortunately,
my Pioneer CLD-D704 squeals louder than a bad alternator belt

[Bruce Esquibel]

Post by t***@thadlabs.com
Heh! Here in the USA the various consumer protection laws/regulations
generally require a manufacturer to "support" a product for 7 years
past
its EOL (End-of-Life). It seems most of today's electronic gadgets
have
an EOL of about 6 months from their debut given technical
obsolescence,

I really think that 7 year parts availability is more urban legend than
anything else.

I think there was some period in the 1940's or 1950's where certain
companies were trying to get a leg up on competitors by offering 20 year
warranties on whatever they made but weaseling out of it by saying the parts
were obsolete and can't be fixed anymore.

So there were laws put into place where if a company said it was warrantied
for 5 or 7 years, they had to make sure the parts were available for that
period of time.

If the product was 30 day replacement, 1 year warranty, that 1 year was it
after the last one rolled off the assembly line.

Maybe there was something in the automotive field being a large investment
but common consumer electronics, I really doubt any 7 year rule for spare
parts was a requirement.

-bruce
***@ripco.com

[t***@thadlabs.com]

Post by Bruce Esquibel
[...]
Maybe there was something in the automotive field being a large investment
but common consumer electronics, I really doubt any 7 year rule for spare
parts was a requirement.

It is now in California with new laws that were incrementally enacted
over
the past 4 years with full enactment on Jan. 1, 2008 for consumer
equipment. Gov. Schwarzennegger signed the bill into law 5 years ago.

The law includes home appliances (e.g., refrigerators, washers/dryers,
etc.). vehicles, and a lot of other things. In California the new law
is
called the Song-Beverly Act after its authors. See:

<http://www.dca.ca.gov/acp/pdf_files/sb_234.pdf>
and
<http://lemonlawadvocate.com/California_Lemon_Law.html>

Visit <http://www/ca.gov> and enter "Song-Beverly Act" into the
search window for additional info.

General info here:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_advocate>

[t***@thadlabs.com]

Post by t***@thadlabs.com
[...]
Visit <http://www/ca.gov> and enter "Song-Beverly Act" into the
search window for additional info.
[...]

Oops, typo; should be <http://www.ca.gov/>

[Kurtis Bahr]

Remember the Runco is a modified Panasonic LX-900U. Panasonic quit selling
parts after the 7 years expired, dumped them all. Runco just picked the
wrong company and was not willing to stock parts on their own. McIntosh
repackaged the CLD-97 so all the internal parts are still available from
Pioneer and McIntosh will help with the externals. The Runco was good but
I's rather own a LD-S2, CLD-97, HLD-X0, or HLD-X9. With these machines you
didn't need to worry about THX certification

Kurtis

Post by Laserdisc_machine
This is a good thread and it will be fun to hear some opinions.
In my opinion HLD X0 and X9 leave the LJR II K.O, no doubt.
And besides Pioneer didn't needed to buy YHX certification to have a much
better quality than runco.
And whorst is when you call Runco and ask for parts to repair an LJR II
there are no parts...
No parts for s $4000 USD machine? Wooowww....
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[Laserdisc_machine]

I agree with you Kurtis.
I like very much those players, and Pioneer without paying crazy prices t
have THX on their machines made the best available LD units on the planet

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[Jesus Christ]

The Democrats were caught cheating. Trump will be President for 4 more years.

[Oregonian Haruspex]

Post by Jesus Christ
The Democrats were caught cheating. Trump will be President for 4 more years.

DVL-91 for me, something just looks nicer about it. And yeah, Democrats got
caught BIGLY. Where’s Coomer?